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  • #3340
    Kai K
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    Koutsi97,
    Kerro Saastamoiselle terveisiä Kaitsulta (i guess he's still with FIHA. ) And take easy with them photos.

    Kai

    #3343
    Bostonian in SoCal
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    That's some advanced work you guys are doing to ensure the health and safety of your players. I like it a lot. You'll have to bear with me on this one, as my players are 18 at the youngest and I haven't had any late bloomers as far as height is concerned. They all put on a good deal of mass in their time with me, but the majority of that seems to be genetics.

    I recall my pediatrician showing me the chart he kept of my growth, and at age 17 I had plateaued at 5'8". It was then I realized I would never be a drop and block goalie, but that's a discussion for another time. Obviously being able to directly see if the growth plates have fused yet is the best determining measure of when a player can safely proceed with heavier weights, but in your experience, how much more accurate is that from the aforementioned chart my doctor kept? Is waiting for a flattened growth curve not accurate enough?

    To the O.P., I have suffered losses this year due to both talent deficiency and effort deficiency. Hang in there! My teams that have suffered losses early in the season tend to be my best teams at the end of the year. They don't get complacent like the teams that win early do. If you can keep them motivated to advance their skills all season, then the progression will be noticeable when you face a team for the second and third time. I've dealt with losses like that by addressing it immediately at practice. I usually bring the guys in and make a joke about what a circus we were in the last game, but tell them that we need to dig deep and always compete, no matter the score. I follow up with drills and games that emphasize competition (winning foot races, corner battles, etc.), and keep score. Tom has talked about competition days like this (obviously where I stole this brilliant idea from) and I've rewarded the winning team with movie tickets before as well.

    #3347
    hockeygod
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    Bostonian in SoCal wrote:
    That's some advanced work you guys are doing to ensure the health and safety of your players. I like it a lot. You'll have to bear with me on this one, as my players are 18 at the youngest and I haven't had any late bloomers as far as height is concerned. They all put on a good deal of mass in their time with me, but the majority of that seems to be genetics.

    I recall my pediatrician showing me the chart he kept of my growth, and at age 17 I had plateaued at 5'8". It was then I realized I would never be a drop and block goalie, but that's a discussion for another time. Obviously being able to directly see if the growth plates have fused yet is the best determining measure of when a player can safely proceed with heavier weights, but in your experience, how much more accurate is that from the aforementioned chart my doctor kept? Is waiting for a flattened growth curve not accurate enough?

    Bostonian,

    I doubt you have this info, but if you did… it could be a good predictor of each players PHV. IE: if you have access to individual charts (ht and wt changes monthly) from each player over time (from when they started their growth spurt… perhaps around 13-14 YO, to the current date; remembering individual differences), and the ht / wt of the parents, you could start making educated guesses as to where they are at regarding growth. Obviously, this is still inexact when compared to the advanced methods discussed above, but would provide a better ballpark than "guessing" alone!

    I would imagine that all things being equal, starting on heavier weights at 18 YO (chronological) would be fairly safe. (I am not a Dr. in real life; nor do I play one on TV! ) Check the Canadian Sport For Life (LTAD) site for more info based on guidelines for the appropriate training age for your 18-20 YO's – "Training to Compete."

    http://www.canadiansportforlife.ca/

    Here is some more info for you from this site:

    Developmental Age

    The terms “growth” and “maturation” are often used together and sometimes synonymously. However, each refers to specific biological activities. Growth refers to observable step-by-step changes in quantity and measurable changes in body size such as height, weight, and fat percentage. Maturation refers to qualitative system changes, both structural and functional, in the body’s progress toward maturity such as the change of cartilage to bone in the skeleton.

    Development refers to “the interrelationship between growth and maturation in relation to the passage of time. The concept of development also includes the social, emotional, intellectual, and motor realms of the child.”

    Chronological age refers to the number of years and days elapsed since birth. Children of the same chronological age can differ by several years in their level of biological maturation.

    Developmental age refers to the degree of physical, mental, cognitive, and emotional maturity. Physical developmental age can be determined by skeletal maturity or bone age after which mental, cognitive, and emotional maturity is incorporated.

    Figure 4 Maturation in Girls and Boys (Adapted from "Growing Up" by J.M. Tanner Scientific American 1973)

    LTAD requires the identification of early, average, and late maturers in order to help to design appropriate training and competition programs in relation to optimal trainability and readiness. The beginning of the growth spurt and the peak of the growth spurt are very significant in LTAD applications to training and competition design. Specific disabilities may dramatically change the timing and sequence of childhood and adolescent development.

    Figure 5 Maturity Events in Girls (Modified after Ross et al.1977)

    PHV in girls occurs at about 12 years of age. Usually the first physical sign of adolescence is breast budding, which occurs slightly after the onset of the growth spurt. Shortly thereafter, pubic hair begins to grow. Menarche, or the onset of menstruation, comes rather late in the growth spurt, occurring after PHV is achieved. The sequence of developmental events may normally occur 2 or even more years earlier or later than average.

    Figure 6 Maturity Events in Boys (Modified after Ross et al.1977)

    PHV in boys is more intense than in girls and on average occurs about 2 years later. Growth of the testes, pubic hair, and penis are related to the maturation process. Peak Strength Velocity (PSV) comes a year or so after PHV. Thus, there is pronounced late gain in strength characteristics of the male athlete. As with girls, the developmental sequence for male athletes may occur 2 or more years earlier or later than average. Early maturing boys may have as much as a 4-year physiological advantage over their late-maturing peers. Eventually, the late maturers will catch up when they experience their growth spurt.

    Currently, most athletic training and competition programs are based on chronological age. However, athletes of the same age between ages 10 and 16 can be 4 to 5 years apart developmentally. Thus, chronological age is a poor guide to segregate adolescents for competitions.

    Training age refers to the age where athletes begin planned, regular, serious involvement in training. The tempo of a child’s growth has significant implications for athletic training because children who mature at an early age have a major advantage during the Training to Train stage compared to average or late maturers. However, after all athletes have gone through their growth spurt, it is often later maturers who have greater potential to become top athletes provided they experience quality coaching throughout that period.

    Train to Compete
    Ages 16-23+/- in Males & 15-21 +/- in Females

    Depending on the sport, for females ages 15-21+/- and males ages 16-23+/-, this is where things get “serious.” They can either choose to specialize in one sport and pursue a competitive stream, or they can continue participating at a recreational level and thereby enter the Active for Life stage. In the competitive stream, high volume and high intensity training begins to occur year-round.

    To-Do List

    * Provide year-round, high intensity, individual event, and position-specific training.
    * Teach athletes, who are now proficient at performing basic and sport specific skills, to perform those skills under a variety of competitive conditions during training.
    * Place special emphasis on optimum preparation by ‘modelling’ high competitions in training.
    * Individually tailor to a greater degree fitness programs, recovery programs, psychological preparation, and technical development. Emphasize individual preparation that addresses each athlete’s individual strengths and weaknesses.
    * Select 1 sport.
    * Utilize single, double, and triple periodization as the optimal framework of preparation.
    * Change the training-to-competition and competition-specific training ratio to 40:60. Devote 40 per cent of available time to the development of technical and tactical skills and improving fitness and 60 per cent of training to competition and competition-specific training.

    Dean
    M.Ed (Coaching)
    Ch.P.C. (Chartered Professional Coach)
    Game Intelligence Training

    "Great education depends on great teaching."

    #3349
    Petri Vaisanen
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    Kai K wrote:
    Koutsi97,
    Kerro Saastamoiselle terveisiä Kaitsulta (i guess he's still with FIHA. ) And take easy with them photos.

    Kerrotaan kerrotaan, Napeahan näkee jopa hallilla silloin tällöin, poika taitaa pelata 99':seissä. And yes, we will try to keep the photo session in the limits of good taste 😉…

    #3359
    hockeygod
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    Koutsi97 wrote:

    Kai K wrote:
    Koutsi97,
    Kerro Saastamoiselle terveisiä Kaitsulta (i guess he's still with FIHA. ) And take easy with them photos.

    Kerrotaan kerrotaan, Napeahan näkee jopa hallilla silloin tällöin, poika taitaa pelata 99':seissä. And yes, we will try to keep the photo session in the limits of good taste 😉…

    Not sure I understood what was said… say hi to someone?… bit I did understand the bit about the photos!

    Looking forward to a new beer avatar from you!

    Dean
    M.Ed (Coaching)
    Ch.P.C. (Chartered Professional Coach)
    Game Intelligence Training

    "Great education depends on great teaching."

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